The CineFiles mark their debut here at This Is Infamous by boldly going where plenty of geeks have been heading over the past couple weeks – a passionateĀ debate on STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS, J.J. Abrams’ follow-up to the 2009 reboot he gave the franchise. From the reasonable comfort of Eddie’s swanky new pad, they drink beers, ponder the success of this mission by the crew of the Enterprise and seem to completely ignore Eric’s wet shirt.

If you somehow haven’t seen STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS yet, there be spoilers ahead… but now it’s time to get into Abrams’ damn “Mystery Box” bullshit.

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  1. TrekBeatTK

    I’m with Eric; so much of this movie makes no sense. After the opening sequence (which is illogical), I liked the next 30 minutes or so and that was it. I was so glad for Section 31 to be involved, but then that was a lie! Hated the Klingons, and once we heard the words “My name is Khan” I was done. The writing is awful. They don’t know how to write Uhura; this version is just an emotional shrew. Everything feels like parody; not just the “KHAAAAN” but EVERYTHING. When McCoy says “I’m a doctor, not a…” in these movies it always starts with “Dammit man!” which is more a product of parody. The writers put in things they think “sound” like Star Trek, like Scotty saying “I’m givin’ her all I’ve got, Captain!” for the FIRST TIME EVER in the last movie. Khan is a military stragetist and a genius; why is he crushing people’s skulls in his hands? He just comes off as General Zod.
    What about that ridiculous Enterprise tumbling out of space sequence? Sure it was a big action scene that seemed fun, but it made no sense. If gravity is working on this ship, then they shouldn’t be running on the walls (starships are designed for three dimensions; remember TWOK and how Khan’s flaw was “two-dimensional thinking”?). If the gravity failed, then they should be floating around. The physics make no sense; this is a starship, not the Titanic. And is it just me or does it seem there’s a lot of wasted space on this ship? Rooms are enormous and hallways are huge and there’s a big hole of nothing in the middle!
    The reason the Khan reveal was kept secret is because they knew a large section of the fanbase didn’t want Khan and wouldn’t go see the movie. So they wanted to be sure they took our money first. The real villain is Peter Weller, but the way the movie is structured, he’s dispatched half-way through.
    And to top it all off, it just doesn’t feel like Star Trek. It’s too military (why do the dress uniforms have hats now?). No Trek film is flawless, but this one feels like a “because it looks cool” movie with the Trek name slapped on it. Worst. Trek. Movie. Ever.

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  2. Steven Harris

    Great to see the cinefiles moving forward, get more people to notice these guys. Been a loyal fan since 2008 and still a loyal. It’s a great review. I did enjoy the film, I agree with Eric there was no real reason for the “surprise”. I enjoyed the action, I liked the opening, I thought it worked kicking the film off. The performances I thought were fantastic which was the highlight for me, the Klingon thing didn’t seem to add up. But, I really enjoyed myself, it was fun old time at the theatre and I will happily watch it again.

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  3. Ryan Tucker

    I can see why they guys had an issue with John Harrison not needing to have been Khan. That being said, I thought overall the movie was very enjoyable. I saw it at the theater twice and both times the crowd was very reactive….laughing, clapping….even a few tears here and there. The positive word of mouth has been very strong thus far. Side Note: I have been following “The Cinefiles” for some time and that is why I was directed to this site. I look forward to more news, reviews, articles etc…Obviously I am thrilled to see a new “Cinefiles” video…..keep up the good work.

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    • Eric Cohen

      Thanks for the support, Ryan! And your enthusiasm over the show has been duly noted thrice full! Or is it thriceful? Whatever– thanks for your support!

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      • TrekBeatTK

        if it’s a word, I would think it’s “thricefold”, like “twofold” or “manifold” or “a hundred fold”.

  4. Metronum

    Agreed with Jeff, should have ended way before the massive crash into the city. It’s like 3b death which are barely mentioned at the end, as if something that big would not leave the society wounded.

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  5. Roberto Suarez

    SPOILER – Khan felt shoehorned into the film. The more interesting foil was Admiral Marcus, and I wished they had focused on him orchestrating a fake terrorist attack in order to push Starfleet from being a scientific organization into a military one.

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  6. Roberto Suarez

    For what it’s worth, here’s how I would have re-written the script:

    – After the destruction of Vulcan, there is a schism in Starfleet. There are some that believe it should focus on exploration (Pike) and those who believe it should become more militaristic (Marcus).

    – The Klingons are identified as a potential threat, even though they had nothing to do with the destruction of Vulcan. However, a series of seemingly Klingon-orchestrated terrorist attacks have been taking place on Earth and other federation planets, giving Marcus’ argument more weight. The final straw is drawn when a Klingon terrorist attack hits Starfleet headquarters, killing Admiral Pike. This gives Kirk the motivation to side with Marcus and agree to lead the Enterprise on an attack of the Klingon homeworld. Marcus supplies Kirk with some high end weapons to accomplish this.

    – Upon arrival in Q’onos, the Enterprise malfunctions due to sabotage. On board is John Harrison, a Starfleet weapons expert assigned to the Enterprise to supervise the operation. He is in fact the saboteur planted by Marcus, there to make sure the Enterprise enters into a conflict and is destroyed, giving Starfleet the catalyst to declare war on the Klingons. Eventually Harrison is discovered and the plan is thwarted.

    – Kirk is forced to make contact with the Klingons. They don’t trust each other and there is conflict at first, but eventually he is convinced that the so-called Klingon attacks had been orchestrated by Marcus. Kirk heads back to Earth to confront him. Unbeknownst to Kirk, Harrison sends a message warning Marcus of what Kirk has discovered.

    – Marcus declares Kirk a traitor and embarks with a fleet of experimental Dreadnaught-class ships to go against the Enterprise. A major battle ensues and it appears that Kirk, his ship and his crew are done. At the last minute, the Klingon’s come to Kirk’s aid, and together they defeat Marcus. The Klingons board Marcus’ ship and execute him.

    – The Klingons return to their homeworld stealing Marcus’ experimental technology. Even though Marcus’ plan was thwarted, the consequences of his actions have put them at greater risk with the Klingons than ever before, and the future with the Klingons is as tenuous as ever.

    I don’t know if it makes any sense, but my point is that the story could have been more focused without Kahn being in it. Anyway, I would love to read any feedback you may have on this.

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    • Chris Burland

      Roberto,
      This is an excellent treatment for this film, much stronger than what the Abrams ‘Lost’ team came up with!!

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  7. Chris Burland

    This is an excellent return, guys. I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion. When I saw the film last weekend, I did notice the early plot flaws regarding the silliness of the ship under water and I too thought that Kirk could be saved by one of the other frozen 72. The Alice Eve character was undeveloped and a gratuitous throw-away. But I still enjoyed the spectacle and I really like all of the actors playing these roles much better than almost any of the originals. I also haven;t seen Wrath of Khan and I agree with you Eric it did not need to be Khan. But overall I still enjoyed this film more than any of the previous pre-reboot Trek films, outside of the Voyage Home.

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  8. Edwin Samuelson

    I think we can all agree – Damon Lindelof please stay away from STAR WARS!

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    • Eddie Thisisinfamous

      You mean you don’t want a bunch of esoteric questions raised that will go unanswered?

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      • AlienFanatic

        Well, at least for the first JJ film that shouldn’t be a problem, assuming JJ isn’t stupid enough to bring in Lindelof to rewrite Ardnt. Lindelof MIGHT get hits mitts into later installments, however, but let’s just cross our fingers for now.

    • EJCohen

      I think Jeff meant that the presentation of the Klingons is borderline racist.

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      • TrekBeatTK

        One could argue though that the Klingons were always borderline racist, with their fu manchu mustaches and dark complexions on the original series as stand-ins for Communists of southeast Asia. They’ve always represented a savage “other”, often dark-skinned, with an exotic “honor”-based society. Though humanity’s ability to work beyond these differences and make peace is what Trek was always about.

      • Cold Drake

        Klingons are kind of a silly thing to be offended by but I enjoyed the show

  9. Eranthos Beretta

    Surprised you guys didnā€™t mention the absolute endless cliffhanger moments… how many times can you stop a bomb, or grab someone out of the air, or just snatch something in the nick of time before it becomes unbelievable? … I would argue one is too many but it felt like it was happening every five minutes in this film. I know it is Hollywood but it just takes even more integrity away from the limited amount this film had

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